jeremyhaber Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Also, not to put you down since I dont know you, but I kinda agree with one of the last posters, your code is encoded so I cannot see what your doing with the server information...how can I trust your code, you just recently registered, most of the pages on your site do not work and your domain name is whois private and registered just last month:16 Jan 2011 19:38:00 ? I'm sorry I have to agree. You say you are working with phpwebftp to bring us this software. I just downloaded their package and read the user agreement. According to it you are violating their gpl by encoding the source. if you distribute copies of such a program, whethergratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostco Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This add on seem like a huge security threat in a number of ways. It has a "cool" factor to it but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 heapmaster v2 may be a few weeks so i would just test it for now and use it. I can send you source to review everything but i have it encoded so the license code system isnt removed from it. The v2 mod will pull the users website url and cpanel login and pass to the fields currently and will automatically log them in. Jeremy, im working with the owner as i have stated before. I have permission to recode and resell this mod. Which actually doesnt make sense because i technically recoded the entire mod to work with whmcs so my code is completely different from his it just looks the same and acts the same. GPU/GPL states on there site they encourage you to sell free software for more money BTW. I would be willing to showcase our code for anyone interested in the mod just to make sure there isnt a security threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyhaber Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Jeremy, im working with the owner as i have stated before. I have permission to recode and resell this mod. Which actually doesnt make sense because i technically recoded the entire mod to work with whmcs so my code is completely different from his it just looks the same and acts the same. GPU/GPL states on there site they encourage you to sell free software for more money BTW. That is not what I am saying. I never said you did not have the right to resell it. I am saying according to the gpl you are not allowed to encode this. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't really comment on this officially. Really if I were you, I'd be releasing this addon as source rather then encoded. It gives you several advantages. Firstly builds trust with the community. Right now you have no reputation anywhere in this community. You pretty much just showed up one day and said here is an addon. Secondly a source version ensures that we (the buyers) are protected if you just decides to leave one day. Thirdly it stays true to the GPL of the original source. Try and look at this from your buyers perspective. Hope this advice helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGWH-James Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Jeremy, im working with the owner as i have stated before. I have permission to recode and resell this mod. Which actually doesnt make sense because i technically recoded the entire mod to work with whmcs so my code is completely different from his it just looks the same and acts the same. GPU/GPL states on there site they encourage you to sell free software for more money BTW. Although the GNU GPL allows redistribution free or at cost; the GNU GP License is a copyleft license; meaning, you cannot make the software proprietary (i.e. encode/encrypt it). Specifically, the following is an excerpt from the GPL license: For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.As per the GNU GPL, you're free to modify it and/or charge for it; but, you cannot encode/encrypt the source though. Edited February 25, 2011 by GGWH-James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LicenseChef Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 It just look like you cut and paste the screen shot into your whmcs client area... On the second pic the file box is not even cut out properly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 If un encoded theres no point in selling it really unless its a one time fee because i paid for a license system. In v2 i may make the availability with no encode and straight source. But as stated anyone who wants to use the mod may look at the source code to make sure there is no "hooks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyhaber Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 If un encoded theres no point in selling it really unless its a one time fee because i paid for a license system. In v2 i may make the availability with no encode and straight source. But as stated anyone who wants to use the mod may look at the source code to make sure there is no "hooks" That's not true. You can still sell it, and now you have an awesome licensing script you can use for your other scripts! Whats the difference in showing people the source and releasing it unencrypted? As well just because you show people the source does not mean its the actual source... so that is counter productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 jermey i used my mac to screen shot it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyhaber Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 jermey i used my mac to screen shot it Pardon? What does that have to do with anything? There are a few things about business you should know: Your product is only worth as much as people are willing to pay for it. That being said right now, encoded it doesn't seem like people are willing to pay for it. Your potential customers don't want an encoded version. I bet you could even charge a bit more then $50 and offer an unencrypted version. And people would buy it. I personally see no reason why anyone would pay annually or monthly for this product (other then updates). Just listen to your customers and their needs and wants. Everything else -including money- will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 i have listened to my clients thats why i already have 15 mod users lol... As ive said numerous times v2 may included a unencoded version but will still need to include our license code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Will be releasing a $5.95 monthly open source tomorrow with alot more features or a $20.95 one time fee open source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckh Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 You don't have to encode the whole thing, leave the open source part unencoded, encode your part, which would include the licensing calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 All will be taken care of tomorrow morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maara Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) encoding mods and home calls are practically useless as it make most potentional customers angry - 95% of people who want use your mod seriously will buy it and not use any warezed version, those who play with warez are mostly childs and after component is encrypted they just move on.Event people who use some warezed version will buy it when they go serious with their business. WHats the point - you are scared that your mod will be misused on more domains or whats the point. By encoding and several restrictions you apply your result is only that if affect serious buyers and you loose half of potential customers. I dont mind encryption and license validation home calls for product by big companies where I can feel at least a bit safe. If a product is from very small company or a single programmer release software encrypted and license validation with mod lock when module cant validate license is crazy. Even if you assure us you have 100% secure , reliable , powerful and backed up servers you never know what can actually happen to you. WHat if you die tomorrow (sorry to say that , I do wish you good and long life) but you never know. If this happen your validation server goes down soon, mod cant validate liocense , get blocked itself and all your customers gonna be screwed as because of encryption they cant reenable modue and cant continue use it any more. Many people dont realize how risky is actually buying encrypted and license validation equipped mods from tiny companies or single programmers unless they are aware that they gonna be lifetime dependent on programmers good health... This happened to me already twice. Programmer died (last one was very good programmer with super support) and his server went down, application locked itself and I have to bring down whole site as I was unable to unlock application because of encryprion - loosed many members on my site..... just my 2 cents... otherwise your application is very promising, but unfortunately no way I buy it encrypted with remote home calls .... its simply too riskey... If you can prove you have an established known company with 50 employess it can be different story throught... Edited February 26, 2011 by maara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 maybe make a stylesheet for it? I don't know... alot of sites do not use the default themes that come with whmcs - i personally know about 300 of em well it seems this mod will only work in the portal theme. i got this email from them today I will be releasing the source code version of the mod later today. The upgrade to that if interested i think i will have the pricing set at $35 for now Brett Reisman StrideHost CEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) this is what i received on live chat, now hes trying to take my clients brett 12:16:59 ill be offering out souring soon was gonna say any us or any clinets you dont want ill take off your hands for some cash of course also accused one of my client of having a porn site on my server which is false as no porn sites on my server which a quick whois search proved. i would advise not to deal with this mod developer. Edited February 26, 2011 by easyhosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 dude you are redicilious. Im not going to fight with you because im not stooping down to your level mate. My mod works on any them. Its been tested. Your theme how ever was made for you for $20 from some whmcstheme company who you even said was a fraud and fake. If you want good mods to work maybe upgrade from a $20 theme that you didnt even code since your such a "big professional company" I wasnt trying to take any of your clients, i offered you to source out any clients if you were looking to sell anything, clients, servers, licenses same as i do with anyone i meet. And i never acused you of hosting a porn site. When i clicked the login client a site showed up as the hosting site called wheresmygspot.com that to me would be a porn site? I was just warning you to watch for anything hosted on your server as thats happened to me before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 you used the client list that also list ex clients etc, and it was only a clients email address they used that seems to link to this porn site as their are no porn sites on my server. i am a hosting company not a designer or coder as this is not a requirement to be a hosting company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Releasing souce code mod for $35.95 later this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 you used the client list Wait, you gave him access to your WHMCS admin area? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Wait, you gave him access to your WHMCS admin area? Why? left the wrong item checked when i gave him addon access, but ive changed all access details since and blocked his IP from my sites and servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 he gave me access to debug the mod. He had no clue what he was doing and ended up giving me all access. I asked him to swap the theme to portal to make sure the mod fully worked which it did and i had to go to clients and login as a client to test it my self. Everything was working. You banded me because i asked you one question and you flipped out. Take a deep breath and step back please because your being quite redicilious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 he staes this in comenst 10 The 3 day trial is to test our mod before purchasing so we dont have to keep giving refunds to people if they dont want to use it. but after this mod will not work on my themer as it will only work in portal and needs to have WHM usernames between 5-6 letters he sent me this ticket reply Brett ReismanStaff 26/02/2011 06:12 There are no refunds on mods Brett Reisman StrideHost CEO Tier 3 Support Technician this is after him trying to get my clients and accusing me of having porn on me servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrideHost Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 hey do me a favor.. get off of my forum post okay? Your $5 has been refunded because you couldnt use my mod on your 20$ theme that others are using. Your whmcs theme is shared by many other companies which makes you look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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