ExsysHost Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Any news updates or previews for us? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterServed Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 It seems that it took much more time than i anticipated for a release ... hopefully they will release it soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apignard Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 would be great to have a few information about it before it realease 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niemie Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 We are waiting for this before upgrading our system.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicsurge Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 It's out for beta testers, and some feedback & bugs are being ironed out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verdictjosh Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 It's out for beta testers, and some feedback & bugs are being ironed out. I believe its been in beta for awhile! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterServed Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 More than one month if I'm not mistaking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getup Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 We're at a point where we will implement a new website soon. If we change the order form's layout now, we might need additional work in the future on the new order form, right? So we're too very curious about the new form and when it will be released. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Simple answer: when it is ready. I really fail to see the urgency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getup Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Right, if we would say that to our customers, we would be laughed at in the face. When do you expect your new server(s) to be delivered? When it's ready? That's not how our company works and I assume the same goes for WHMCS. I'm not implying any urgency though. It's a reasonable question to ask when something is finished if there's a chance you might get work done for nothing: meaning, it will cost us money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Right, if we would say that to our customers, we would be laughed at in the face. When do you expect your new server(s) to be delivered? When it's ready? That's not how our company works and I assume the same goes for WHMCS. I'm not implying any urgency though. It's a reasonable question to ask when something is finished if there's a chance you might get work done for nothing: meaning, it will cost us money. Hardly the same thing. If you have not got a "new" server then you can not make sales, or you are selling something that you can not provide at the moment. Whmcs still works whether the new order form is released today or next month. As a footnote: Matt did say in another thread that the next version of whmcs should be released by the end of the month. I would imagine that the Ajax order form would be released at the same time if it is ready. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getup Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 You are partly right. Of course it's not exactly the same, but I wouldn't say hardly. If you need to invest in in something, you might want to know what to expect, at least, that's what I want. We're investing in a new website, in a migration to WHMCS and in additional modules, also through sponsored development. If there are changes which might influence those investments in the very near future, I do want to know when. A 'when it's ready' does not close it for me. Either way, software development works with deadlines, or at least expected ones. We're not the company to pin someone down on a day or in rare ocassions a week, but there have to be deadlines or else you can't be taken seriously in my opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vchosting Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Don't you just love some of the debates that take place on these forums! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHMCS Support Manager WHMCS John Posted July 7, 2010 WHMCS Support Manager Share Posted July 7, 2010 We don't release incomplete software simply to meet speculative deadlines. All our releases are made when the software is complete and has been thoroughly tested on as many different systems as possible. It's not helpful to us if we set a deadline, find a bug and as a result miss it. We'd receive many more complaints that we've missed the release date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 You are partly right. Of course it's not exactly the same, but I wouldn't say hardly. If you need to invest in in something, you might want to know what to expect, at least, that's what I want. We're investing in a new website, in a migration to WHMCS and in additional modules, also through sponsored development. If there are changes which might influence those investments in the very near future, I do want to know when. A 'when it's ready' does not close it for me. Either way, software development works with deadlines, or at least expected ones. We're not the company to pin someone down on a day or in rare ocassions a week, but there have to be deadlines or else you can't be taken seriously in my opinion. I do understand your point, and I partly agree. But in my opinion, I would prefer them to release them when they have been intensively tested, rather than release them because they are behind on a completion date given. I have used a different billing system before (modernbill), and they would give eta., invariably the estimated completion date would slip, and slip, resulted in numerous posts on their forum of people going mad because it was not ready. The best example was with V5. The anticipated release date kept being changed, time and time again, the forum posts got rather heated about it. In the end, when they released it, it was extremely buggy, and resource intensive, and the same people that had been screaming about the 'late release', where now complaining about it. I admit, I got caught up in the "enthusiasm", and was guilty of pushing for a release. So now I tend to have an attitude of "it will be ready when it's ready", I would rather they worked out 99% of the bugs before releasing it, rather than working to an eta. We don't release incomplete software simply to meet speculative deadlines. All our releases are made when the software is complete and has been thoroughly tested on as many different systems as possible. It's not helpful to us if we set a deadline, find a bug and as a result miss it. We'd receive many more complaints that we've missed the release date. I agree. Unfortunately it is impossible to please everyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getup Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 We don't release incomplete software simply to meet speculative deadlines. All our releases are made when the software is complete and has been thoroughly tested on as many different systems as possible. And I'm happy they are. Don't get me wrong, even though we haven't switched to WHMCS yet, we are still confident in the product's future. Let's blame my liking of deadlines on my background as project manager. I always like to know where we're at, and that means deadlines. In my experience, vague communication will always result in speculation or unhappiness due to unexpected results. I have used a different billing system before (modernbill), and they would give eta., invariably the estimated completion date would slip, and slip, resulted in numerous posts on their forum of people going mad because it was not ready. They were never competent of delivering a good billing solution. You couldn't expect them to deliver a proper v5 solution regardless of any deadline ;-). We shouldn't compare them to WHMCS, that's not fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I would never compare modernbill with whmcs. There is no comparison, whmcs just works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visbits Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Very nice, I'm excited for this release. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExsysHost Posted July 10, 2010 Author Share Posted July 10, 2010 We don't release incomplete software simply to meet speculative deadlines. All our releases are made when the software is complete and has been thoroughly tested on as many different systems as possible. It's not helpful to us if we set a deadline, find a bug and as a result miss it. We'd receive many more complaints that we've missed the release date. Hmm since I am the thread poster.... I did not mention anything about deadlines or anything , I simply requested a news update or possibly screenshot teasers. The original news announcement said there would be news updates on twitter but there has not been in over a month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zomex Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I'm looking forward to this update. Ajax is the future in my opinion! Jack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gei Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 So banter aside, any idea when we'll be seeing a release of this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckh Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 So banter aside, any idea when we'll be seeing a release of this? http://forum.whmcs.com/report.php?p=154709 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHMCS CEO Matt Posted July 12, 2010 WHMCS CEO Share Posted July 12, 2010 The new Ajax form is going to be included in our next major release - V4.3. The V4.3 beta will be released later this month with the stable hopefully following early next The updates are all occuring in the private beta testers section of the forum but for those of you desperate to see how it looks & works I've uploaded it to the online demo so you can preview it at the urls below: http://demo.whmcs.com/order/?systpl=default http://demo.whmcs.com/order/?systpl=default&pid=1 http://demo.whmcs.com/order/?systpl=portal&pid=5 And remember, this isn't just a new template but a fully open source alternative order form, so the look & process can be customised by the developers amongst you out there in any and every way possible. Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwpeery Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I like... kinda... Seems like more work for the client which may drive them away.. Just some thoughts. Wes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiredremix Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Love it, cant wait to get my hands on it. For me this has been the missing part of whmcs and will defo be customising it as soon as its released. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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