UNIXIELHOST Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share Posted July 9, 2009 I just read this, interesting sentence from ( http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting-vps.html ) and it says: Run all the crazy long-running processes you want... we don't care! Interesting huh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oempire Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I just read this, interesting sentence from ( http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting-vps.html ) and it says: Interesting huh? well that's cause its a VPS - so they can Max their VPS allocation - and its only ever going to effect that VPS only. not all the other virtual installs on the server.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I stopped that garbage a while back, you get what you pay for. My clients pay for service and reliability, not a million gigabytes of storage, nuff said. Also I noticed you said 10 years, under another domain/business name? easyasabc-hosting.com was created on 11-27-2006, thats a few years, but not ten. I was trading under the-ink-shop.co.uk from 1994, sold that back end of 2005, then set up market-toys.co.uk in feb 2006 and then easyasabc-hosting in nov. 2006. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I was trading under the-ink-shop.co.uk from 1994, sold that back end of 2005, then set up market-toys.co.uk in feb 2006 and then easyasabc-hosting in nov. 2006. And the earlier two were hosting businesses? Wayback shows: the-ink-shop.co.uk (April 2005) http://web.archive.org/web/20050404053122/http://www.the-ink-shop.co.uk/ "Full range of Epson compatable inks at low low prices. Media including blank dvd's and cd's More stuff coming soon" market-toys.co.uk (December 2007) http://web.archive.org/web/20071215065554/http://www.market-toys.co.uk/ Bath salts, jewelry, toys, and only later adding a link to abc for hosting and so forth. Seems to me you can't really claim you were in the hosting business since 1994 if you were just "on the internet" since then. Late 2006 is when you opened abc for hosting, so that would be the earliest legitimate claim, I believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evcthosting Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Unlimited is a "farce" i agree, there is no such thing as unlimited it is almost a sure sign of "overselling." We use the word "unmetered." We build the accounts expecting them use use it, after all that is what the upgrade button is for. One of the other ones is 99% uptime..... i just noticed this comment "well that's cause its a VPS - so they can Max their VPS allocation - and its only ever going to effect that VPS only. not all the other virtual installs on the server.... " you can over load the node...by overloading a container or "VPS" Edited July 12, 2009 by Evcthosting typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phpforfun Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Unlimited is a bit unrealistic, thats why when I try to use Unmetered. Obviously they are limited to CPU and Memory though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Division Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 From 1st August we are going to be offering unlimited bandwidth on all packages but you cannot get unlimited disk space... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phpforfun Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Do unlimited bandwidth, unmetered disk space 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 the-ink-shop.co.uk was mainly selling inks etc, but i also offered a hosting service (not large, but still provided hosting). I have nominet printed certs going back to 1994 when i started, so yes i have been providing hosting since 1994. And the earlier two were hosting businesses? Wayback shows: the-ink-shop.co.uk (April 2005) http://web.archive.org/web/20050404053122/http://www.the-ink-shop.co.uk/ "Full range of Epson compatable inks at low low prices. Media including blank dvd's and cd's More stuff coming soon" market-toys.co.uk (December 2007) http://web.archive.org/web/20071215065554/http://www.market-toys.co.uk/ Bath salts, jewelry, toys, and only later adding a link to abc for hosting and so forth. Seems to me you can't really claim you were in the hosting business since 1994 if you were just "on the internet" since then. Late 2006 is when you opened abc for hosting, so that would be the earliest legitimate claim, I believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Unlimited hosting is false advertising in my opinion. It's impossible to offer unlimited space, and unless you own the connection your server is using, it's also impossible to have endless ammounts of bandwidth. Even unmetered dedicated servers have caps on the bandwidth you can use per month. I love the evolution of unlimited hosting, first hosts selling their services via eBay offered unlimited hosting, now the giants are doing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 the-ink-shop.co.uk was mainly selling inks etc, but i also offered a hosting service (not large, but still provided hosting). I have nominet printed certs going back to 1994 when i started, so yes i have been providing hosting since 1994. Why was there no mention of hosting at all on the sites until abc opened, then? I couldn't find one link or anything that suggested web hosting until that occurred. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris1351 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This debate always cracks me up. 1st issue is if you don't plan on competing in that market then what do you care honestly. Since 1996 through 2 companies I have seen so many hosts come and go that you will learn that it doesn't matter what company so-and-so does. That is not your issue, your right to comment on or your problem. On unlimited there are very strong TOS/AUP documents that usually go along with those terms. Go read your Vonage, Sprint, AT&T, Verizon...etc contracts to see what the unlimited service is with them. Their unlimited is even more unobtainable than hosting as minutes have to be paid for on termination and origination in most cases plus dips for the DIDs themselves. Still these companies do it and seem to do it well. So unlimited works and always has, for the ones that hate Dreamhost/Hostgator and others there are a lot more that like their services because they never push the envelopes of the unlimited space. Another BIG issue to think about is a lot of those offering unlimited own their own equipment and facilities or have VERY lucrative deals renting 100s of servers with custom setups from providers. I know HG said 2 years ago they had over 200 servers with TP so you have to believe that they have some special rights to their servers and some very good deals on prices. Take a guy that owns his own servers in a cage it is very simple to add storage to servers and add servers into the racks to gain additional resources once servers become tapped. That makes a big difference when you can throw 10 servers at a time for resources vs having a monthly rental cost involved. Other than the initial cost of the server I only have to pay for power on that additional server. (did not say we are doing unlimited just case example) Back to the movie deal that would not be a normal hosting feature on unlimited accounts. Streaming is not web hosting or a standard web space file to be honest. Streaming is and should be a more expensive product because it is bandwidth/server intensive so it is hard to blame any host provider that bumped you for that. Unlimited/Unmetered is for web pages and associated components jpg,gif,swf, etc. It isn't for storing 10GB of home movies or images, that is what storage accounts and backup accounts are for. Ok off my box, just saying there is a place for the market you just have to decide if that is your market. Competing with the big boys requires some deep pockets and as other have said basing your companies off service related hosting is the ideal market for the little guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkent Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I have 50 GB and 2TB of traffic, perfect for me. Might not be unlimited but I actually prefer to see a limit - it makes a hosting provider seem more legit and trustworthy. Not sure about you guys, but for me it does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DedicatedPros Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Unlimited hosting is false advertising in my opinion. It's impossible to offer unlimited space, and unless you own the connection your server is using, it's also impossible to have endless ammounts of bandwidth. Even unmetered dedicated servers have caps on the bandwidth you can use per month. I love the evolution of unlimited hosting, first hosts selling their services via eBay offered unlimited hosting, now the giants are doing it. 100Mbit Connection without a bandwith cap is definitely possible, which is what is 100Mbit Unlimited; you get 100Mbit and you cannot go over that limit, so 34TB of bandwith per month assuming you utilize that connection 24/7 to its full extent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiro Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I don't offer unlimited hosting. I wouldn't dare set up unlimited hosting. Bandwidth, maybe, but disk space? No way. Any customers that went over their bandwidth cap gets charged for the additional bandwidth that they would be paying for, as I will not simply raise the bandwidth quota, even though I have more than enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Why was there no mention of hosting at all on the sites until abc opened, then? I couldn't find one link or anything that suggested web hosting until that occurred. thats because the hosting i offered was small scale and offered to my exsisting client base. it was mentioned in my files website files the quoted link below leads to the current site which is no longer my site or domain Originally Posted by bear View PostAnd the earlier two were hosting businesses? Wayback shows: the-ink-shop.co.uk (April 2005) http://web.archive.org/web/20050404053122/http://www.the-ink-shop.co.uk/ "Full range of Epson compatable inks at low low prices. Media including blank dvd's and cd's More stuff coming soon" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 This debate always cracks me up. 1st issue is if you don't plan on competing in that market then what do you care honestly. Since 1996 through 2 companies I have seen so many hosts come and go that you will learn that it doesn't matter what company so-and-so does. That is not your issue, your right to comment on or your problem. On unlimited there are very strong TOS/AUP documents that usually go along with those terms. Go read your Vonage, Sprint, AT&T, Verizon...etc contracts to see what the unlimited service is with them. Their unlimited is even more unobtainable than hosting as minutes have to be paid for on termination and origination in most cases plus dips for the DIDs themselves. Still these companies do it and seem to do it well. So unlimited works and always has, for the ones that hate Dreamhost/Hostgator and others there are a lot more that like their services because they never push the envelopes of the unlimited space. Another BIG issue to think about is a lot of those offering unlimited own their own equipment and facilities or have VERY lucrative deals renting 100s of servers with custom setups from providers. I know HG said 2 years ago they had over 200 servers with TP so you have to believe that they have some special rights to their servers and some very good deals on prices. Take a guy that owns his own servers in a cage it is very simple to add storage to servers and add servers into the racks to gain additional resources once servers become tapped. That makes a big difference when you can throw 10 servers at a time for resources vs having a monthly rental cost involved. Other than the initial cost of the server I only have to pay for power on that additional server. (did not say we are doing unlimited just case example) Back to the movie deal that would not be a normal hosting feature on unlimited accounts. Streaming is not web hosting or a standard web space file to be honest. Streaming is and should be a more expensive product because it is bandwidth/server intensive so it is hard to blame any host provider that bumped you for that. Unlimited/Unmetered is for web pages and associated components jpg,gif,swf, etc. It isn't for storing 10GB of home movies or images, that is what storage accounts and backup accounts are for. Ok off my box, just saying there is a place for the market you just have to decide if that is your market. Competing with the big boys requires some deep pockets and as other have said basing your companies off service related hosting is the ideal market for the little guys. so you would be happy to pay $80 a month for a dedicated server and then charge $10 a month for an unlimited space plan and this user fills up the whole server space, so no other user can use the server, which if you offer unlimited space then could physically do this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zash Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 With Unlimited resellers, they're selling their CPU more than they are selling Bandwidth and Disk Space (and they don't tell you that). Any website that uses a good amount of bandwidth also uses a good amount of CPU, and these hosts will ban you from 'high CPU usage' before you have a chance to do real damage to their servers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keliix06 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Not necessarily. File hosting sites can use huge amounts of bandwidth and storage while using almost no CPU. Doesn't take a lot of processing power to start a file download. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 bandwidth - if you want to say unlimited i get it - we have lots and lots of it - Disk space there is a limit - but again we have tons of available disk space as well - we don't mention unlimited bandwidth and unlimited disk space - but hey its a marketing practice that works for those people in their market. We all over sell - in one way or form - when you sell 10Gb disk space and have 146Gb SCSI drives in a raid format you really only have room for 12 customers (146-26 for OS, sawp, etc , etc = 120/10 = 12) -- so really you put 200 customers per server - you oversold -- the unlimited is at the extreme and yes they put 1000 customers on a box - but it works for them -- i would think - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
host1plus Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 bandwidth - if you want to say unlimited i get it - we have lots and lots of it - Disk space there is a limit - but again we have tons of available disk space as well - we don't mention unlimited bandwidth and unlimited disk space - but hey its a marketing practice that works for those people in their market. We all over sell - in one way or form - when you sell 10Gb disk space and have 146Gb SCSI drives in a raid format you really only have room for 12 customers (146-26 for OS, sawp, etc , etc = 120/10 = 12) -- so really you put 200 customers per server - you oversold -- the unlimited is at the extreme and yes they put 1000 customers on a box - but it works for them -- i would think - Interesting thoughts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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