Shaun Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) First of all this is only aimed at some people. General Tone IMHO there has been alot of wingeing as a whole from the members on this forum. Maybe everyone is getting it to good from the developers that put their time and effort into whmcs as a whole (Matt & Commercial/Free module developers). Some of the Requests are demands. This software is one of, if not the best one around when it comes to Web Host billing, you pay $15/m im sure most of you spend more on coffee a week than this. I think people need to step back and be thankfull of the bang that you get for your buck from WHMCS and the team that develop it. As well as all the other forum members that are here to help you out day and night. Source Encryption Some people dont understand that the code we produce is how we pay our bills. Some people build houses we wite software. Sure some people may be just new to the forum, if you don't want to buy their software don't, simple as that, don't expect them to just open the source up because PEOPLE WILL PIRATE IT. *dons flame suit* Im probably going to cop it for this, but i feel it needed to be said, to sprout the seed's of thought in peoples minds. Edited May 15, 2009 by Shaun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsign Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 You pay $15/m im sure most of you spend more on coffee a week than this You reminded me I must go get a coffee Source Encryption But in all serious, I've said this before, it's up to the developer if they want to encrypt or not, at the end of the day it comes down to which is greater- the loss of customers due to it being encrypted, or the loss of sales due to it being pirated. I'm happy to use encrypted software, as long as it comes from a reputable source (or at least has been verified by one). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isdoo Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Understand what you say and agreed until almost the final line. I do not like encrypted code because it restricts the ability to make often simple changes to the code to fit in with your own site. It is a shame that we do not have some sort of other method for catching people who copy / release code. Vbulletin is not encoded for example and yes there are hooky copies around, but I would have thought on a customer base as small as yours or even WHMCS it would be fairly easy to detect unauthorised use. Maybe a very small encrypted file that can help in the detection rather than fully encrypted. However this is my own view as I can cope with minor changes - of course any changes you do do would invalidate support from the author unless the original code was put back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Understand what you say and agreed until almost the final line. I do not like encrypted code because it restricts the ability to make often simple changes to the code to fit in with your own site. However this is my own view as I can cope with minor changes - of course any changes you do do would invalidate support from the author unless the original code was put back. This is where the issue come in. Most people still expect support. Or don't tell you they have edited files. We could stuff around and add more complexality etc. But for the most part this would drive the cost up as it takes more time then ppl complain its all to dear lol... Personally whmcs mods are only a hobby for Kadeo ne how. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljesh Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) if you don't want to buy their software don't, simple as that Same goes for you (as a developer). If you don't want to open source code, don't. Simple as that. don't expect them to just open the source up because PEOPLE WILL PIRATE IT. It is proven that people will pirate any software. Can you find whmcs pirated? Yes you can. Why are you paying for it then? I don't think it's important if you can find or cannot find certain script/software pirated. It's about do you value other peoples work and are willing to pay for it. I am willing to pay for whmcs and will pay no matter if the source code was fully open and nothing was encoded. I have even donated to the author for code that is completely free and open by the author. Some wont, and they find other ways. As Redsign said: which is greater- the loss of customers due to it being encrypted, or the loss of sales due to it being pirated. Edited May 15, 2009 by ljesh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 IMHO there has been alot of wingeing as a whole from the members on this forum. You linked to the dictionary definition, but you spelled it wrong =D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 You linked to the dictionary definition, but you spelled it wrong =D ROFL.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 ROFL.... haha, glad you have a sense of humor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlyle Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Anyone know the status on Kadeo? Their web server seems to be down. My ClientStatements is saying "Contact Support" (unable to process statement). Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 It's loading currently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kran Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I totally agree with SHAUN WHMCS is better encrypted, probaly also makes it more secure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlyle Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 on the kadeo site being back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerbonne Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Encryption of a script is mandatory these days. We had to encrypt our scripts awhile back. Guess what, I can't find a nulled copy of it anywhere. But I can find hundreds of copies of our software from before we encrypted. Even if sales do go down, I don't want people stealing from me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9Hosting Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I was about to post a very similar thread but saw this so I may as well add to it I've been having a look round the Addons section of the forum this morning and was amazed at some of the replies to particular threads. Some members seem to spend months requesting modules, then when a developer takes the time to put something together for the community, they get ripped apart for it not having a particular feature, because they put a price tag on it, or because it's encoded. Some of the abuse thrown at them is unreal, how is WHMCS ever going to go forward as a developer community if some idiots insist on ripping developers apart everytime a new module doesn't come quite upto scratch. Instead of looing for faults in every tiny detail, think yourselves lucky there are people out there willing to develop custom modules for such a great script! /End rant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrat Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) That could be easily countered with, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." In all my 56 years, I have never once found any occupation that is not 100% accountable. Why should developers be a special case? Sparky, as an example, strikes the right balance and many less experienced developers would be wise to adopt his model which works brilliantly. THPhippen is another good example of what works. Lars is also trusted. Most offer outstanding candidness and customer support. People don't mind their work being encrypted when appropriate and they have carefully gained the trust and respect of their customers. It could justifiably be said that it is developers who should stop whining arrogantly when their potential customers ask them basic and seminal questions that merely require answering in a patient and respectful manner. In that much, it is mostly a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other all contributing to the great moan. But it is mainly only the new and arrogant developers, if indeed they are truly such, who wind people up by demanding absolute compliance to completely unreasonable terms that cause the majority of the problems leading to customers complaining. Shoddy is what shoddy does. New developers arriving here and launching new encrypted products with no track record, treating us all like idiots and even calling us idiots, deserve all the stick they get. Edited August 10, 2009 by redrat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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