kunnusingh Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 i am fan of whmcs script but now my host running in loss(3months) so i am migrate from whmcs to other free script(sorry) i hope, i am return after 1 moth or 2,3 month(back to whmcs script after 1 month or more) bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openmind Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm sorry that you are running at a loss but considering the low cost of WHMCS it's probably not wise to continue hosting full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm sorry that you are running at a loss but considering the low cost of WHMCS it's probably not wise to continue hosting full stop. i love whmcs but this time i can't afford money for whmcs but i am planning to buy owned license(when i get lots of profit:) but this time i am in dipresion because migrating is not easy. I find a 30 trial script, after 30 day i am able to buy(maybe) monthly leased whmcs license. Dewlance.com/client license expired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Sorry but if you can not afford to pay for a whmcs license, how can you afford to run a hosting business. Web hosting is not a "Get Rich Quick" business, you will run at a loss for quite a while, if you can not afford to/not planned for this then you should not be in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panacheweb Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 everyone else is right, making money on hosting is like trying to win the lottery. You have to be willing to accept the losses and have other revenue to compensate for the loss. and Be creative in how you market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostmeoffshore Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Sorry but if you can not afford to pay for a whmcs license, how can you afford to run a hosting business. Web hosting is not a "Get Rich Quick" business, you will run at a loss for quite a while, if you can not afford to/not planned for this then you should not be in the business. maybe he have paid a cheap server so maybe he can afford to run a business like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 maybe he have paid a cheap server so maybe he can afford to run a business like this. He might have a "cheap" server, but there are more expenses to running a hosting business than just servers. At the end of the day, he should have done a business plan, worked out his expenses and ensured that he could cover these expenses without any income coming in for a certain period. That period would be for more than a couple of months. In my case I have worked it out that I can afford to cover these expenses for 2 years without any income coming in. Now I do not expect to have no income coming in for 2 years, but it means I know that I can cover the expenses for 2 years. Everyone should do a business plan before starting any business, and should stop thinking that webhosting is a "Get Rich Quick" scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 He might have a "cheap" server, but there are more expenses to running a hosting business than just servers. At the end of the day, he should have done a business plan, worked out his expenses and ensured that he could cover these expenses without any income coming in for a certain period. That period would be for more than a couple of months. In my case I have worked it out that I can afford to cover these expenses for 2 years without any income coming in. Now I do not expect to have no income coming in for 2 years, but it means I know that I can cover the expenses for 2 years. Everyone should do a business plan before starting any business, and should stop thinking that webhosting is a "Get Rich Quick" scheme. I agree. It took me 6 months before i started to break even, hosting is in now way a quick way of making money. its easy placing a site online especially with the many free templates available and then getting a cheap VPS, alpha package. but then you have to advertise your hosting (all $$$), then what happens if something happens like mypowerhost or scarletbeach and many others, when they just pack up and leave you without hosting and many angry clients. this happened to me and it took me 4 days to find another service that i was happy with. in the meantime you have to keep your clients in the loop and then when you find another service, you have to contact all your clients (the ones that have not left you) with the new details and then offer them some sort of compensation (unually a free month) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianoz Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 ... it wouldn't be worth switching for 2-3 months, the simplest alternative would be to turn WHMCS off and do it manually, as I'm assuming you only have a few clients. If you have a lot of clients then it's time you charged more!! (why would you make it hard on yourself?) After you've done it manually for a while, either you'll be profitable or not, easy decision then to stop or continue. Hopefully you haven't got yourself a server but are running as a reseller using another host's services; that's the best way to start for someone like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 hi everyone, thanks for suggestions. i am start this business with $300 but after 1 month PayPal Suspend My account because of i am not use my real name. after i lose $300+ then i am start advertising(hard Working) and i am get 25 clients with in one month.($84)) but next month i am not get any sing-up so my all money invested in whmcs license and server charges.(still licenspal not suspend my account) i don't want to get rich with in days or month (for proof: i am provide hosting at very low cost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DedicatedPros Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I think offering hosting this cheap is ridiculous, and probably the reason why have no money. Also, creating a PayPal account with a fake name is a very stupid thing to do, they suspend real, fully vetted accounts, let alone fake ones. A reseller hosting package with WHMCS included will cost you $20-$25 for the lower end packages, going up to $70. I would recommend getting something like this, that way you could run a business for many, many months. Also you need to keep advertising monthly, as there are many clients that will leave after the first month, its unfortunate, but true. I have advertisements running 24x7 for a few weeks now, and they really pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 i am use fake name because i don't know paypal rules but now i know paypal rules. lots of times paypal suspend my current account but i am every time submit my documents proof and paypal reactivate my account. Good News: -- Money Paid For WHMC Monthly License Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DedicatedPros Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Providing fake information is not a good idea at any time, especially when using a website to receive payouts from. Also with plans at 4.75USD per year, you won't break even unless you have a few thousand clients on each server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 i am use fake name because i don't know paypal rules but now i know paypal rules.Why in the word would you give a fake name to someone that's handling your money for you? Hiding something? lots of times paypal suspend my current account but i am every time submit my documents proof and paypal reactivate my account. Different ID each time? Without meaning to offend I find it amazing how easy it is for anyone, even those grossly unqualified, to hang out their shingle as a "host". There is no huge investment in getting started, either in time/knowledge or money, and everyone thinks they can do it. Offer realistic packages for realistic costs and for the love of Pete....be truthful about your business to clients and providers. You are affecting people's lives here, and giving the industry as a whole a bad image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Why in the word would you give a fake name to someone that's handling your money for you? Hiding something? i would say fake name/details then fake service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Why in the word would you give a fake name to someone that's handling your money for you? Hiding something? i am not use Fake Name(i am use my nick name) but paypal think i am use "Fake Name" because of i have no proof for my nick name. Different ID each time? when my account suspend then i am send email to paypal and paypal reply me after three days... "Make a new Business account" this is 100% legal means my personal account is freez and paypal approve my Business Account. You are affecting people's lives here, and giving the industry as a whole a bad image. i am not affecting any industry image but i think blesta affecting i would say fake name/details then fake service No fake services because i am provide Phone Support and Also Provide a My Home address(now i am very serous) and all our clients never complaint about our hosting service(goggling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DedicatedPros Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I think you actions speak for themselves, a nickname on paypal.. really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yes, how can i signup new account and why not paypal suspend my account for multiple accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) Why in the word would you give a fake name to someone that's handling your money for you? Hiding something? Different ID each time? Without meaning to offend I find it amazing how easy it is for anyone, even those grossly unqualified, to hang out their shingle as a "host". There is no huge investment in getting started, either in time/knowledge or money, and everyone thinks they can do it. Offer realistic packages for realistic costs and for the love of Pete....be truthful about your business to clients and providers. You are affecting people's lives here, and giving the industry as a whole a bad image. Well said. It really annoys me when I see people starting in hosting who obviously have zero regard for their clients, and give false info to try to hide. i would say fake name/details then fake service Yep I agree with you. And at $4.75 per year, no matter how many clients he has he will never make a profit/living out of this. Edited October 12, 2009 by HostOrca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Well said. It really annoys me when I see people starting in hosting who obviously have zero regard for their clients, and give false info to try to hide. give me proof and stop lying. Yep I agree with you. first check your service And at $4.75 per year, no matter how many clients he has he will never make a profit/living out of this. i don't want to get rich with in hours and i don't want to abuse my clients so i am not increase price to $100 per month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I apologize for the long winded reply, but I think it's warranted. i am not affecting any industry image Yes, you are. Services cost money to provide. Servers need to be paid for, bandwidth, electricity, salaries, support, hardware replacement and so on. Someone comes along and decides the market is full and begins to compete on plan specs at low prices, offering the moon on a reseller or VPS account. The only way to make any money at all is to stuff far too many accounts on one server, usually a lower end one at that. "Hey, I can offer unlimited specs for 15/month!" he thinks. Along comes a new "host", looking to get rich quick. He sees this offer and thinks he can do the same thing...sell big accounts dirt cheap, and simply keep adding them to the server. Problem is, that server is already being stuffed full of accounts that are being sold to people just like him, because the original provider will soon go out of business unless he oversells this server in a huge way. Said "host" looks at others, and sees they are offering accounts for $2/month, so he sells for $1/month. Along comes new host #3 (you) who sees those guys and offers large accounts for $4.75 a year. Perhaps where you live that amount is pretty good money...but you still need to pay your costs, such as your billing manager license, server costs and so on. Eventually, you come to realize that $4.75 isn't enough, and you can't pay for WHMCS. What happens if you do grow a bit, and have 20 accounts! $4.75 x 20 = $95/year or $7.92/month (guessing at below costs) WHMCS: $15/month Reseller/VPS: $15/month One account would be paying you $0.40 per month. 40 cents for 30 days of service! You'd need at least 75 accounts sold to hit these minimums. How would you support 75 users? You can't hire anyone to help, as you only just broke even with their payments. This is called forming a business plan, something it would appear you haven't done. You've jumped in blindly, and based your plan on what others have done before you, assuming it would all work out without considering actual cost and logistics. It is in that way you are hurting the industry, because you are likely to fail on your current course, and those 75 people that were counting on you will probably be left without hosting or backups when you fail to pay the server/VPS/reseller bill and your account gets shut off. I see this all the time, and it sickens me that I have to apologize to people for hosts like this. Think about what you're doing. Make a plan, or fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HostOrca Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 give me proof and stop lying. I'm not lying about anything, if anything you are the one lying, especially to yourself if you think you will make any money charging $4.75 per year. first check your service I don't need to check my service, I charge a reasonable amount for the services that I provide, which means I can offer the sort of service clients deserve. I have done a business plan so I know what my expenditure is going to be now, and in the future. Which means my clients are assured that I will be around for a long time. i don't want to get rich with in hours and i don't want to abuse my clients so i am not increase price to $100 per month You'll never make any money with your prices, all you will do is make a loss, and be back asking for donations towards whmcs, server costs etc., Do yourself, and your clients a favour, sit down and do a business plan. Work out your expenses, then work out how much you need to charge to break even, then add a bit on for profit, and you then might be able to pay for whmcs + yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunnusingh Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) 'bear' & 'HostOrca' sorry i am realize that i am wrong. now i am increase my price and start hard working for advertise,etc. sorry if i am heart anyone, i am not a wrong man. Edited October 12, 2009 by kunnusingh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 'bear' & 'HostOrca' sorry i am realize that i am wrong.now i am increase my price and start hard working for advertise,etc. sorry if i am heart anyone, i am not a wrong man. No one thinks you're a bad person, you just didn't think it through. Everybody makes mistakes, and as long as you learn from it, you might just succeed. I wish you all the luck in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignItHostIt Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Some great replies in this thread and I agree with nearly all of them expecially Bear (well said ) & HostOrca Ive been running my own server for a couple of years now and have always looked on hosting as a necessary evil Im a web and graphic designer but 90% of my clients see the whole web as a necessary evil lol and dont particularly want anything to do with it so I tend to look after everything. I've always made my income from graphic and web design the hosting was just something I needed to do its only over the last couple of months Ive thought about actuallly advertising hosting and designing a specific site for it, I have no intention of selling for peanuts though I charge my clients £10 per month for a small fully featured hosting account this will also be the case online with more storage and bandwidth accounts costing more, Im not expecting 100's of clients just for hosting just a select few lol Sorry for waffling I gues what I trying to say not very well is if it is to be your ONLY source of income you may be in trouble and in the long run you can put all the hard work in you want your chances of success are quite low for a number of reasons: a/ Your prices are way toooooooooooo low, most people with any experience of hosting are aware that the cheapoer the host the less likely you are to get a great service, not because of server issue necessarily but also because we have all watched these cheap host come and go in their thousands over the last few years, also the big boys GoDaddy, 1 and 1 Bluehost most of them also offer cheap plans now and for every dollar you have to spend on advertising they probably have $10,000. b/ As said above we have all seen thousands of cheap hosts coem and go to the extent that as all happens is any potential new customers will automatically start looking a host review sites and naturally go with the one that has 1000 reviews mostly good, this will take you a VERY long time to get this kind of recognition. Im not saying dont do it, I suppose like any business competition is good but you need to make a byusiness plan not just for your first couple of months for the next 2 years at least, you need targets and goals realistic ones and if you dont meet them you need to be finding out why and doing something about it. I dont know where you are located but if you cant afford a monthly leased license then you need to go and get a real job in the real world and then think about this again when you have some "disposable" income. If you can design a simple website why not go round to your local businesses in your area offering a complete design and hosting package, do a few at a special offer rate to get some income in then get a decent reseller account or even VPS pay it up for a year, buy a whmcs license wash rinse and repeat!!!! If you cant design then surely you should be able to? You have to have some knowledge server side of design wise ideally both??? What knowledge do you have may be a great question to ask yourself............................... Anyway sorry for the long post and the very best of luck I hope you work it all out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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