wyatt Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Good news! One of the WHMCS Hackers from UGNazi was arrested today, news source confirms it http://news.softpedia.com/news/UGNazi-Hacker-Cosmo-Arrested-After-WHMCS-Breach-272565.shtml 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strother Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Seven days from attack to arrest, bravo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openmind Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 It means nothing, there is a quantum leap from arresting someone on suspicion of a crime to actually prosecuting them successfully... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m8internet Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 It means nothing, there is a quantum leap from arresting someone on suspicion of a crime to actually prosecuting them successfully... Further complicated by WHMCS being UK based, so the FBI may wash their hands and pass the matter to UK based Police for extradition proceedings Any such offender could spend some time waiting for the UK Police to appear and determine if it is worthwhile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Further complicated by WHMCS being UK based, so the FBI may wash their hands and pass the matter to UK based Police for extradition proceedings Any such offender could spend some time waiting for the UK Police to appear and determine if it is worthwhile but it was server based in the USA with a USA company (hostgator) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strother Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Well, at least maybe he'll get to feel some love during his unfortunate incarceration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylove4life Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Maybe they will make an example out of him and really go after it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I hear that Bubba is waiting on him at the jail house.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m8internet Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Well, at least maybe he'll get to feel some love during his unfortunate incarceration. This person has been to jail before, didn't act as a much of a deterrent... However, a round trip via the UK would be a holiday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee3155 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 This person has been to jail before, didn't act as a much of a deterrent... However, a round trip via the UK would be a holiday? He may have got out of jail before in the US, but being extradited to the UK, well, the police over here might be thinking differently on the other hand and the consequences could be a lot worse then he thinks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Basically even though WHMCS is a UK companym UGNazi broke into a server held in a USA datacentre, owned by a USA company (Hostgator) that was leased to a UK company (WHMCS), so this would be dealt with through the USA enforcement system, this is why its an FBI case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee3155 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Basically even though WHMCS is a UK companym UGNazi broke into a server held in a USA datacentre, owned by a USA company (Hostgator) that was leased to a UK company (WHMCS), so this would be dealt with through the USA enforcement system, this is why its an FBI case. Very true, but WHMCS is a UK registered Company and therefore they can take as much legal action as the host can because they are the ones who leased the server. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Very true, but WHMCS is a UK registered Company and therefore they can take as much legal action as the host can because they are the ones who leased the server. yes but this would have to be done through a USA legal team in the USA as the offence happened in the USA and not in the UK 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanB Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 yes but this would have to be done through a USA legal team in the USA as the offence happened in the USA and not in the UK That's the fun part about jurisdiction law.... In this case its possible he could be held responsible for breaking laws in the US and in the UK. With internet crimes jurisdiction can get complicated because the borders are blurred. A judge will usually look at the residency of the accused, the location the crime took place and the residency of the victim. My favorite example of this... If resident of state A went to visit state B and stood on the border of state B and shot and killed someone in state C who has jurisdiction? And just because a certain state gets jurisdiction does not always mean that their laws apply. State A could prosecute but apply State B's laws. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Maybe they will make an example out of him and really go after it... Why? I doubt any inmates would have it in for a computer hacker. Just doesn't seem like something they'd care one way or the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 That's the fun part about jurisdiction law.... In this case its possible he could be held responsible for breaking laws in the US and in the UK. With internet crimes jurisdiction can get complicated because the borders are blurred. A judge will usually look at the residency of the accused, the location the crime took place and the residency of the victim. My favorite example of this... If resident of state A went to visit state B and stood on the border of state B and shot and killed someone in state C who has jurisdiction? And just because a certain state gets jurisdiction does not always mean that their laws apply. State A could prosecute but apply State B's laws. yes but as the crime happened in the USA this is why the FBI is investigating as the server and crime happened in the USA with the victim in the UK, but where is the accused based. so the FBI will have to find a who, when, why, how this happened 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylove4life Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I dont mean people in jail Bear, I mean to make him an example that doing this stuff will not be allowed... FBI and a long jail term.. Why? I doubt any inmates would have it in for a computer hacker. Just doesn't seem like something they'd care one way or the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I think people like them learn more in jail then out of jail. he will go in knowing how to access the servers of a small business like WHMCS, but most likely come out knowing how to get into the FBIs computer system 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Dodge Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) I wonder if, this being the states, he's in a jurisdiction with the death penalty still on the books. Am I suggesting they do this? No not really, it would be disproportionate. But this sounds like a teen who needs scared straight, and putting him in with supermax inmates for a while, or the death row crowd, would certainly do that. To these kids, it's all fun and games. They know there's little actual law out there that they can actually be held accountable for this **** with, so they go nuts. Thing is the moment they did this to a UK company - the UK have much stricter laws about data protection, etc. If he does get handed over to the UK authorities, he'll probablly get buggered till his rear end falls off. Edited May 30, 2012 by Peter M Dodge 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 think is will this been seen as serious to have him extrodited to the UK. I know the case the other year when a kid in the UK hacked into the USA defence computer the USA had a job to convince the UK to send him to the USA for trial and that was a more serious crime than what he did to WHMCS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m8internet Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 think is will this been seen as serious to have him extrodited to the UK. I know the case the other year when a kid in the UK hacked into the USA defence computer the USA had a job to convince the UK to send him to the USA for trial and that was a more serious crime than what he did to WHMCS The case against Gary McKinnon is quite unique, hence why it was so high profile The case against the person or persons that hacked WHMCS is not so unique and people are extradited on a regular basis for such offences now Extradition usually only takes place if the prosecution and sentence in the external country is likely to be higher If it fails, then a prosecution can still take place on their return This is where the case against Gary McKinnon currently is at, the prosecution in the UK is now suspended (and can be resumed if prosecution in USA fails) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semoweb Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Good news! One of the WHMCS Hackers from UGNazi was arrested today, news source confirms it http://news.softpedia.com/news/UGNazi-Hacker-Cosmo-Arrested-After-WHMCS-Breach-272565.shtml Seems false considering Ugnazi site is still online and as per the post the FBI ceased their site, so ;-/ I would say this is false information. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strother Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Maybe Bubba is also a WHMCS client. Prisoners in the US could easily be running a reseller business. Anyone in this forum currently incarcerated? we would love to hear your thoughts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strother Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 As far as the chances of him being prosecuted, The FBI has got all of these guys on their radar, and would likely jump at any chance to prosecute one. I don't think the fact that WMCS is UK based will stop them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOvER Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Seems false considering Ugnazi site is still online and as per the post the FBI ceased their site, so ;-/ I would say this is false information. Possible. The same Group hacked mybb.com tonight. Same as WHMCS, a social engineering attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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