Dedigeeks-Sean Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Probably the mascot and the site design... Just guessing. I would assume the same, though, just re-collection we are not associated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyhosting Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Hi Frank, I'm sure you'd get customers and you will grow. The whole industry is growing and I'm sure you're good and that's why you are growing. However the applications, the websites and everything you host requires more resources today. There is a growing demand for any kind of "distributed computing" systems because they are better optimized, more efficient, high performance and provide better ROI both to providers and consumers. So I can not agree with the conclusion "There's more to web hosting that buzz words my friend". There always be a buzz in this industry. However the Cloud computing market is growing rapidly and steadily. I have found that with the recent and current economic climatetheir is more and more people setting up home/internet businesses to subsidise their incomes and all these need to be hosted somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neobug103 Posted September 30, 2010 Author Share Posted September 30, 2010 Yes my mistake, rather I remember you are associated with froghost.com instead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedigeeks-Sean Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 (edited) Yes my mistake, rather I remember you are associated with froghost.com instead Just to make this clear, Hawkhost and Froghost are the same company, SpeedySparrow is not associated with either of them, we are our own entity and we do not affiliate with them in any way! Just to make it clear, SpeedySparrow IS NOT associated with Hawkhost or Froghost! Edited October 1, 2010 by Dedigeeks-Sean 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris1351 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Lot of talk of the name and associations, but I have a question for you. You say you are Shared Hosting on the Cloud, is that service purely just because you are running CloudLinux or do you have a real Cloud setup? The cloud we are building has cost a small fortune even for a small one. We opted for the OnApp product and it has been very good thus far, their people are great. It is a full rack of hardware almost by the time we got done though and a lot of add-on cards to get the bandwidth needs met to deal with shared storage, replication and backup solutions. Real clouds are very worth the marketing fluff as someone put it, being able to add/remove servers on the fly with customers never noticing is a worthwhile investment. With a well built DC your points of failure are very limited unless you blow power circuits or have a fiber cut. I am all for the clouds when they are really built up and done well. It takes a LOT though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neobug103 Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 Lot of talk of the name and associations, but I have a question for you. You say you are Shared Hosting on the Cloud, is that service purely just because you are running CloudLinux or do you have a real Cloud setup? The cloud we are building has cost a small fortune even for a small one. We opted for the OnApp product and it has been very good thus far, their people are great. It is a full rack of hardware almost by the time we got done though and a lot of add-on cards to get the bandwidth needs met to deal with shared storage, replication and backup solutions. Real clouds are very worth the marketing fluff as someone put it, being able to add/remove servers on the fly with customers never noticing is a worthwhile investment. With a well built DC your points of failure are very limited unless you blow power circuits or have a fiber cut. I am all for the clouds when they are really built up and done well. It takes a LOT though. Very well said Kris, exactly what I was thinking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkatz0 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I would like to hear from WHMCS as to how or whether they anticipate supporting "cloud" hosted environments. Regards, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent_g Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I don't see how it will compete. The costs are much higher to run and the technical knowledge would need to be greater thus hourly pay would need reflect that. As to people calling at 4 AM as one put it - if your servers are good they will not fail. Mine are running without problems and I hardly get a help desk request. When you do RAID downtime is much shorter should a HD fail. So how can a complicated setup such as Cloud be able to service low end clients at a reasonable cost? Maybe it's a good solution for very hign end clients where costs are not such a big factor. I'm not sold on it yet as you can tell by this post. Vin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkatz0 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I don't think ignoring it will make it go away, or make clients that want it because they read the hype marketing and believe it go away. I would like to offer my clients the best possible solution should the question arise whether or not I agree with it. Same kind of thing as Windows hosting. I don't really like it but must offer it to the few that insist on it. It's almost impossible to tell what is going on in a Windows server without a lot of third party (commercial) applications, compared to a Unix/Linux server, of course all of you know that. You also know that should a cloud fail, and there have been some big failures, it takes way more time to recover then even a copy of a hard drive across a network (we don't do that, we mount 'em locally like most of you probably do). Please don't bash me and ask me to produce the evidence of the cloud failure. It was published. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris1351 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I don't see how it will compete. The costs are much higher to run and the technical knowledge would need to be greater thus hourly pay would need reflect that. As to people calling at 4 AM as one put it - if your servers are good they will not fail. Mine are running without problems and I hardly get a help desk request. When you do RAID downtime is much shorter should a HD fail. So how can a complicated setup such as Cloud be able to service low end clients at a reasonable cost? Maybe it's a good solution for very hign end clients where costs are not such a big factor. I'm not sold on it yet as you can tell by this post. Vin It isn't meant to be a low end product, it is a high availability product that is scalable. There is a place for the shared hosting in it too as you are able to take your single servers and throw them into the mix of the cluster instead of having 1 server getting pounded and 2 empty for example. You combine the resources of 3 servers so you can distribute load. I think the original point of this topic was marketing fluff of some vs the actual building of a real cloud. Amazon, SL & Rackspace have spent huge amounts of money on clouds so you know there is real value in it. You just have to see where YOUR value is. As for WHMCS I submitted to Matt and they said there is an Onapp platform in the works. Hopefully sooner than later on that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnApp Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 As for WHMCS I submitted to Matt and they said there is an Onapp platform in the works. Hopefully sooner than later on that one. True, we (OnApp) has a WHMCS plugin on the way. It's in beta now, and if you'd like to check it out you can send me an email: ditlev@onapp.com D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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