tk16 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hello, I was wondering, if I set up google apps for my domain name (changing the MX records to google), would the whmcs email piping still work? If not, is there any way to overcome this? Cheers, Tyson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech.girl Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I am wondering (and trying) the same thing. I cound't make it work with gmail hosted/google apps yet. Any advice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketshop Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Yes, it will work... sortof. There are serveral ways you can do it. If you are on cpanel, you can create a subdomain and then create an email for the subdomain. Then forward your emails from google to the subdomains email address and pipe that subdomains email into WHMCS. You can also setup getmail fetch and do it like this in cron, all on one line of course: */5 * * * * getmail_fetch -dq -s -p995 pop.gmail.com support@domain.com MyPassWord "| /usr/bin/php -q -f /home/user_name/public_html/pipe/pipe.php" >/dev/null 2>&1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech.girl Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hello, I tryed to create a cron like you said, but its not working 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanguyen Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Yes, it never works . Do not think about using email pipe with gmail 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Tried this before and failed too. Hopefully someone who succeed could post up the detail step-by-step. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Let's bring this discussion back. Let's say that your whmcs system uses example.com to send and receive mail to clients. ie support@example.com and sales@example.com Now in order to use example.com with google apps you must edit your zone file so that the MX records point to google. Once that's done, your server will no longer function as the mailer; google will. But what about email piping? Since the server no longer acts as the mailer, it cannot pipe the mail. You will not be able to pipe the mail through Google either. But this is what I've noticed: in cpanel when you're editing a zone file, there's an option at the bottom that reads "Always accept mail locally even if the primary mx does not point to this server. (Domain owned by user)" I think if you check this, then your server will accept mail locally and if you have fowarding setup, it will pipe correctly. Mail would be received by your server and you can still use the forwarder to forward to pipe.php In other words, if you check that option you can use Google Apps to SEND mail and your server to RECEIVE mail. And in order for whmcs to send mail to your clients, you need to use smtp. Matt, what do you think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netearth Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Hi All, I must admit I am being a bit of a knob!, read the thread, and on the basis you have a mail server (ie we are talking about cpanel etc in the thread) why would you want to set this up, what pro's are there? Surely your servers have webmail, therefore that would mitigate the need for gmail? I must be missing something? Chris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACscr Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I think anyone that uses google apps versus their own mail server is basically saying that their selling a service that isnt even good enough for themselves. i feel that same with about web hosts that use gmail email addresses. Its hilarious IMHO and sad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberhost Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I think anyone that uses google apps versus their own mail server is basically saying that their selling a service that isnt even good enough for themselves. i feel that same with about web hosts that use gmail email addresses. Its hilarious IMHO and sad. Yep, it's like saying, "Use this email address because my mail server is probably down." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I think anyone that uses google apps versus their own mail server is basically saying that their selling a service that isnt even good enough for themselves. i feel that same with about web hosts that use gmail email addresses. Its hilarious IMHO and sad. I vehemently disagree with that. Regardless if I'm a webhost or not, I like having Google manage my email because I have a lot more capabilities with their services, than what's normally provided for especially for webmail based applications (Horde is absolute piss poor, SquirrelMail is disgusting, and RoundCube is bloated.) Not only that but I also consider having Google Apps a godsend should anything actually happen to your domain. I've had a few instances where my personal domain was down, but because I manage the DNS elsewhere, and I use Google Apps.. I was still able to receive email. It's obviously just a personal opinion on it, but figured I'd chime in my two cents. I see nothing wrong with a user wanting to use a 3rd party app. I mean at that point, it leads to other things of discussion. Why aren't you handling your own credit processing if you go through PayPal. Why aren't you using your own custom build billing client? It's just petty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACscr Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 LOL, i dont sell merchant services or billing services, so thats a non issue. I see no problem with using other providers for backup, but not primary. You just admitted right there that gmail has better uptime that your server, so why use it? If all your webmail apps are crap, why sell them? Why should your users then buy from you when they can just buy a domain and get their email through google apps? There is nothing wrong with using third party services or scripts, but it looks really bad (again, only im my opinion) if your using a third party tool to support the services your selling. That would be like WHMCS.com using modernbill as their shopping cart to sell whmcs. Hey, to each his own.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberhost Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I vehemently disagree with that. Regardless if I'm a webhost or not, I like having Google manage my email because I have a lot more capabilities with their services, than what's normally provided for especially for webmail based applications (Horde is absolute ***** poor, SquirrelMail is disgusting, and RoundCube is bloated.) I agree that those webmail apps all pale in comparison to Google Apps, but the point remains that it just looks unprofessional to use another firm's @domain.tld for correspondence with clients. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACscr Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I vehemently disagree with that. Regardless if I'm a webhost or not, I like having Google manage my email because I have a lot more capabilities with their services, than what's normally provided for especially for webmail based applications (Horde is absolute ***** poor, SquirrelMail is disgusting, and RoundCube is bloated.) I agree that those webmail apps all pale in comparison to Google Apps, but the point remains that it just looks unprofessional to use another firm's @domain.tld for correspondence with clients. Your right about host staff members that use gmail accounts, but at least with google apps you can use your own domain. But still..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberhost Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I vehemently disagree with that. Regardless if I'm a webhost or not, I like having Google manage my email because I have a lot more capabilities with their services, than what's normally provided for especially for webmail based applications (Horde is absolute ***** poor, SquirrelMail is disgusting, and RoundCube is bloated.) I agree that those webmail apps all pale in comparison to Google Apps, but the point remains that it just looks unprofessional to use another firm's @domain.tld for correspondence with clients. Your right about host staff members that use gmail accounts, but at least with google apps you can use your own domain. But still..... My bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netearth Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 LOL, i dont sell merchant services or billing services, so thats a non issue. I see no problem with using other providers for backup, but not primary. You just admitted right there that gmail has better uptime that your server, so why use it? If all your webmail apps are ****, why sell them? Why should your users then buy from you when they can just buy a domain and get their email through google apps? There is nothing wrong with using third party services or scripts, but it looks really bad (again, only im my opinion) if your using a third party tool to support the services your selling. That would be like WHMCS.com using ModernBill as their shopping cart to sell whmcs. Hey, to each his own.... I must admit I agree with MACscr here, we all have our own opinion, and certainly have our own likes and dislikes, maybe Jordan if you like the way Gmail works, why not try to find one of the opensource products out there and get it customised etc, your clients may well prefer it as well? I would have thought though that your email is a little bit more precious than that? We have all our mail go through 2 MTA's so if we have any problem with our main mail servers, we and our clients will autoswitch to the backup servers. If it were a DNS issue you were mentioning above when you had your problem, was the DNS not in your control etc? Everyone has their own way of looking at things. I thought you had to pay for GoogleApps with email etc etc etc as they take control of the domain (I might be wrong in that assumption) Chris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech.girl Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Helloooo? We're just asking here for google apps support! Gmail hosted one, where you have your own domain, guys! I'm sure there are people out there using it but they dont sell hosting services and need to use it with whmcs, kayako, like me! I had to buy a second domain to use pipe already. I dont see the point in this discussion, we only want it working. I dont see how this have anything to do with this discussion, since we CAN manage our business (hosting or not) how we want, right? :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netearth Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Helloooo? We're just asking here for google apps support! Gmail hosted one, where you have your own domain, guys! I'm sure there are people out there using it but they dont sell hosting services and need to use it with whmcs, kayako, like me! I had to buy a second domain to use pipe already. I dont see the point in this discussion, we only want it working. I dont see how this have anything to do with this discussion, since we CAN manage our business (hosting or not) how we want, right? :wink: Chill tech.girl!! My initial question was basically what were the "Pro's of it" to date that still hadnt been answered. However piping into WHMCS if it is anything like most of the other billing systems needs to have access to PHP on the server that receives the email to pipe it, hence the "piping". Chris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Please read my post on how to possibly get Gmail Apps working with piping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACscr Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Please read my post on how to possibly get Gmail Apps working with piping. Why not include a link to it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Please read my post on how to possibly get Gmail Apps working with piping. Why not include a link to it? http://forums.whmcs.com/viewtopic.php?t=5049&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech.girl Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Ace, I know there is such option, but the thing I like the most at gmail hosted is its spam filter. Using that option I would not take that advantaged of it.. I just found out that google apps cant be used because it doesnt have imap enable.. is that right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unspecific Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I have already fully tested this. The simple answer is, NO it doesn't! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unspecific Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Ace, I know there is such option, but the thing I like the most at gmail hosted is its spam filter. Using that option I would not take that advantaged of it.. I just found out that google apps cant be used because it doesnt have imap enable.. is that right? Yes, IMAP is not enabled. Therefore, it will not work. :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech.girl Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Ace, I know there is such option, but the thing I like the most at gmail hosted is its spam filter. Using that option I would not take that advantaged of it.. I just found out that google apps cant be used because it doesnt have imap enable.. is that right? Yes, IMAP is not enabled. Therefore, it will not work. :wink: Correct.. I was trying to use it since last year.. Giving up until google enables imap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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