Mattg Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 We just had our new design completed today (still working on a few more pages) and i'm about 90% done with the WHMCS integration. I was curious what do you all think at the moment? I will provide snapshots of the clientarea in the next couple of days, as i'm finishing up some of the coding at the moment. WHMCS (Still in Progress 90% Completed)-> http://my.hostpenguin.net/ Cart (Still in Progress 80% Completed)-> http://my.hostpenguin.net/cart.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpherp Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 If you're looking for positive comments. It looks good! If you're looking for honesty: I think you should stop offering integration services. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicInternet Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Personally, I don't like it - it just doesn't have that wow factor. The intergration is okay-ish, nothing special to be honest. Without sounding too harsh, that poor penguin, has been used so much its unreal. I am sick to death of seeing it on hosting companies "websites" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) If you're looking for positive comments. It looks good! If you're looking for honesty: I think you should stop offering integration services. Thanks for your review and any particular reason why you fill that we should stop offering integration services? This thread was intended for our current integration/design and is not a reflection of the other services we offer. I also want to point out that this integration is not completed, as I stated earlier. Edited November 24, 2008 by Mattg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Personally, I don't like it - it just doesn't have that wow factor. The intergration is okay-ish, nothing special to be honest. Without sounding too harsh, that poor penguin, has been used so much its unreal. I am sick to death of seeing it on hosting companies "websites" Thanks for your comment and we are still working on that WOW factor which will be released in the next few days. The Linux Penguin you may have seen on many other hosting provider websites, but ours is actually a custom logo that was designed by our designer. You should have not seen this logo anywhere besides our website and if you've seen it then please provide a link so we can get it taken down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpherp Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Thanks for your review and any particular reason why you fill that we should stop offering integration services? I feel that if someone is offering a service that they should have experience and be able to display that experience... The work on your site seems to be the normal header and footer "integration" this is really not considered an integration by most as it is more of just an installation process adding your sites header and footer... And of course your own site should be a showcase of your talents(or the lack thereof). These of course are just my opinions, if people are willing to pay for your work than so be it, I just don't understand why is all and I would think that if you wanted to offer such a type of service that you would showcase that, your "examples" of integrations all seem to be a simple install as well. My apologies if this seems negative(but you asked and your claim is "WHMCS Integration Specialist!"). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 I feel that if someone is offering a service that they should have experience and be able to display that experience... The work on your site seems to be the normal header and footer "integration" this is really not considered an integration by most as it is more of just an installation process adding your sites header and footer... And of course your own site should be a showcase of your talents(or the lack thereof). These of course are just my opinions, if people are willing to pay for your work than so be it, I just don't understand why is all and I would think that if you wanted to offer such a type of service that you would showcase that, your "examples" of integrations all seem to be a simple install as well. My apologies if this seems negative(but you asked and your claim is "WHMCS Integration Specialist!"). Thanks for your comments, as they are very much appreciated! I personally believe the integration or should I say the "installation" that we provide is typical by most people who do WHMCS Integrations. The WHMCS developers also offer the same header/footer integrations, as we do and Licensepal.com offers header/footer integrations, as we do. I do not see how you can say that our "installation" would not be considered an integration. I do believe that the two template themes default and portal can of course be modified more than just a header/footer change, but our view of an integration is just that. The definition of an integration is, "an act or instance of combining into an integral whole." and the service we do is just that. I think your opinion of can we do more approach with the look of the design is different than our opinion of combining to separate scripts (WHMCS & Website). I believe that if a user wants to make any modifications to their WHMCS default or portal template that i'll be more than happy to implement them into the (Installation) of the header/footer. My last thing I want to point our is that we do our "installation" for only $25 dollars. If you do the math do you think it would be cost effective to make changes to every single template of WHMCS for $25 dollars? The last time I checked the default template amount is 60 .tpl files not including the order forms. That would result in about 46 cents per a page or you can say it would take 12 hours to make all these edits for $2 an hour. I rather continue to do what I believe an Integration in my opinion is, as well as the other people who see that our service is an Integration (Clients, WHMCS.com, LicensePal.com, and etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpherp Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 You've hit on a couple of points that I was trying to get across to you, for 1 whmcs.com offers an integration service, they have displayed that they are professionals at what they do(they built the script and created all the templates). You are offering/advertising (which happens to be against the forum rules) in their forums an "integration service" I would think that it should be beyond (or better) than what they offer(not just cheaper). You post on other forums asking for design work on your own site, (showing that you do not design). You claim to integrate "Client Area, Order form, and WHMCS pages" Maybe if you clearly stated , all I am going to do is copy your sites header and paste it into whmcs header and the same with your footer, and maybe change a few colors in your whmcs css file than people would understand that they are paying for work that they can probably do themselves in about 2 minutes. So to try to keep the post as polite as possible I will end on a happy note: I think that for the users that have no experience with html/php/smarty/ or css(the people that shouldn't be offering hosting anyway) will benefit from your lower cost over the slightly higher cost & expertise of whmcs's integration service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) 1. Where is the advertisement? Forum rules state, "Please don't include pricing and plan details in your signature. Since we don't allow direct advertising, we can't allow it here either. Feel free to link to your site, and have the pricing and plans spelled out there." Have I listed any prices or plans details in my signature? 2. WHMCS.com is of course a professional when it comes to their script of the development of scripts. I would classify this as programming! How about Licensepal.com ? WHMCS also states what they claim WHMCS integration is.. "Integration Service With this service, we create a custom template for your WHMCS system to match the page you give us. The standard price is $34.95 and this is for a basic header and footer customisation with no changes to any of the content areas of pages. If you have more advanced customisation requirements, feel free to contact us to discuss them." They do offer custom coding if your getting the two confused. "Custom Coding/Priority Development/Modifications Custom and sponsored developments are offered for those who have a particular requirement - these can be new features, changes to existing ones, addon modules or custom pages. Simply contact us to discuss the options available to you. " 3. I am happy you follow me around the other forums and see that i've requested/looked for a designer to create images/websites for me. It does not mean that I have no design skills or etc, as obviously integrating involves the ability to sort through coding. I am not going to say that i'm the best graphics designer, but I can hold my own. I hope you understand that people do have a life at time and some work such as my design, can be done by another designer. In reality it is cheaper for me to concentrate on other parts of the business, besides worrying about the design. 4. WHMCS does require that a header/footer to be a part of the design of the WHMCS templates. So anyone with knowledge would understand that it will require that the header/footer to be modified. In conclusion, you have attacked me in a post where I was asking for constructive feedback on MY WHMCS integration. I was not asking for feedback in regards to my Integration Business. If you have nothing else to say related to my integration then just let it be. Edited November 24, 2008 by Mattg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpherp Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 In conclusion, you have attacked me in a post where I was asking for constructive feedback on MY WHMCS integration. I was not asking for feedback in regards to my Integration Business. If you have nothing else to say related to my integration then just let it be. You've gone from "Appreciating my feedback" to feeling as though I "have attacked you" I am not sure how I could be anymore constructive, If you didn't want the feedback you shouldn't have asked, as far as I am concerned your "integration Business" and your "Integration" would be 1 in the same. If I were to be getting my car painted and the owner of a paint shop pulled up in an old beater covered in rust and bondo and said what do you think of my work, I would have to state to him that he should get out of the business! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 You've gone from "Appreciating my feedback" to feeling as though I "have attacked you" I am not sure how I could be anymore constructive, If you didn't want the feedback you shouldn't have asked, as far as I am concerned your "integration Business" and your "Integration" would be 1 in the same. If I were to be getting my car painted and the owner of a paint shop pulled up in an old beater covered in rust and bondo and said what do you think of my work, I would have to state to him that he should get out of the business! Were discussing my web integration, not my business, and not a rusted car. Thanks for your feedback and I do not need any more help from you. Thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herpherp Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Were discussing my web integration, not my business, and not a rusted car. Thanks for your feedback and I do not need any more help from you.Thanks! There all the same thing, and my apologies if I was coming across as helpful to you as that was not my intent. My intent was simple to provide you with feedback regarding your original question which was. I was curious what do you all think at the moment? I gave an honest answer and you asked for an explanation. I gave an explanation. I will leave you to your integration. Good luck with your business and I hope nothing but the best to you! Who knows maybe someday we will need your special talents! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Okay guys... Comments posted and comments were taken. Lets move on. We don't need a Jerry Springer episode on here. Tisk, Tisk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clothingsavers Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I really liked the site. Simple clean design, easy to navigate and I love the 3d penguin logo! Please keep offering the integrations. i will need to buy a whmcs, vbulletin, kayako, and wordpress integration. Just need to save a little more! =) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcraedesigns Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 It's very clean looking, also, you have a penguin! Nice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicInternet Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 You should have not seen this logo anywhere besides our website and if you've seen it then please provide a link so we can get it taken down. Maybe not your pengiun exactly, but variations. It seems everyone uses it or a variation of it. I would personally, say it looks unprofesional and just doesnt look good with the pixelation aswell. Personally, I think the site looks bland, too much white space and has a template feel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsonwebhosting Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Awww.. I was enjoying the discussion I like to see people make statements and then be forced to back them up. I say discussion as this wasn't a flame or attack etc.. if I wanted that I'd go to sitepoint Healthy discussion and critiques are the only way forward. There's a few businesses out there that offer this service, and there's a number of businesses that should hire outside people to review their work. Personally wasn't thrilled on the 'integration' myself - but that's just my opinion. We're competing businesses so having a site different than our own is something we like to see 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It's decent. Glad you were able to come up with a new design that satisfied you - I think the purple color is unique - I think the navigation bar is nice, except for the 3d effect you tried to establish - Honestly I think the logo is horrible. The use of drop shadow and stroke are terrible - The whmcs integration works although I would spend more time on it Overall, looks pretty decent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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